@eaglereptiles thanks for your input. Do you know if thereâs a trait I can look for in the parents to try verifying yellow belly?
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Your snakes look underdeveloped and small. This is why there heads look so small. What were your incubation temps? Also did you cut these eggs? To me they look like they came out way early. Snakes that donât fully develop in the egg and/or inconsistent incubation temps will make wild colors and patterns. Were you opening the incubator and egg tubs a lot? Every time you open them you lose heat, when you have a lot of tempature spikes and swings it can affect there development. Also me personally Iâm not seeing any yellow belly influence. And judging by the pictures of the hatchlings and parents I would say no to a black eyed Lucy complex gene as well. Keep a close eye on these guys I hope they make it for you.
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@thecrawdfather I believe number one is black pastel enchi pinstripe banana. Black pastel and enchi are alleic so it would be an als.
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I believed YB because some of the oddities that have popped up, but I would take Shaunâs opinion over my own.
1 Just wouldnât be that bright at all with the parents listed, but as Shaun noted, and something that I failed to think of, Black Pastel and Enchi will give you a âacts like superâ.
5 looks to have crazy bright sides, brighter than you would expect, but again as Shaun mentions that could be due to temperature fluctuations in incubation.
6 is the main reason I said YB, its colour and pattern seem very different to anything you would expect from any single genes involved. There is a fair few "O"s aswel, but on the other hand, the lack of hooks makes me question my guess. This could just be down to incubation aswel.
Again I would take others guesses over my own.
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Iâm just trying to look at the bigger picture I guess you would say. Patience has always been my downfall when it comes to eggs and hatchlings. I used to open egg containers frequently candle eggs all the time, and finally cut eggs sooner than I should have. All these things always lead to less than optimal outcomes at times. When the head size is that small in my experiences it has usually been from an underdeveloped snake. Not everyone uses the same incubator. So not everyoneâs holds perfect temps during the entire incubation process. Which is fine and you can still hatch perfect hatchlings. But when you add in air exchange opening tubs and cutting eggs early these types of things happen. My eggs and @eaglereptiles thomasâs eggs at 50 days may not be at the same stage of development. I try my best to never cut eggs until I have some piping. But I donât always wait either. But until you get a few seasons under your belt and know your incubator well, I would suggest avoiding cutting eggs early. I speak from my own experiences and failures. No judgements here. When I first switched over to my new incubator I didnât take enough time double and triple checking how well it performed. It cost me a lot off eggs. I have since fixed it and i have had Zero issues with it since then. Some times sit back and wait is really the best advice with certain things in this hobby.
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Thanks @saleengrinch, could I pick your brain on a few questions?
First the answer to your questions, my incubator is set at 89 degrees, it seemed to stay pretty steady not fluctuating more than 1 degree, also our first clutch didnât have any issues.
Unfortunately, I had to be out of state for a family memberâs funeral during their hatching time so I did cut the eggs the night before I left trying to make sure a friend didnât run into any issues while I was gone, they were cut on day 50. Since I wasnât here I canât be sure how often it was opened to check on them or for how long each time
Your opinion seems to make a lot of sense for the outcome but here is a little more info to give you a better picture and get your thoughts. Hatchlings 1-4 which appear to be the most developed to me hatched on day 54, 5 and 6 that look less developed hatched on day 58 and today is day 60 and there is still one in the egg, number 7, (it doesnât look to strong and donât think he will make it). does that make sense that the ones that hatched earlier are more developed? all 1-6 are very active and seem to be fine right now minus being small, also for more information, this group all weighed between 52-63g where our other clutch were all between 68-74g.
As far as other questions, is there anything I need to be watching for with these guys? If they make it will they grow into being normal dimensions (heads grow mainly)? I know you said 1 looks to be black pastel enchi pinstripe banana, what would your opinion be for the others? Is 5âs weird pattern due to not being fully developed? will he change? and lastly, for this post you mentioned black pastel and enchi being allelic, is there a good place to learn more of that type of stuff in general, or is it just from experience and researching specific combos as you have them over time?
thanks for your help!
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@kns_exotics Sorry to hear about your loss in your family. You want to make sure the tub there in stays damp until they shed. There weights arenât actually that low. What Iâm more concerned with is that they look underdeveloped. With that being said things to watch is they look active and healthy. Did they absorb all the yolk sac? This will be there nutrition until there first meal. So if any didnât absorb it they might not be able to make it long. If this is the case I would try and feed them before they shed. If they donât eat then and appear unhealthy and sluggish you may have to choose if you want to take more drastic measures to get some food in them. Sometimes though hatchlings just donât make it or fail to thrive. Itâs one of the hard parts of breeding snakes. As far as there head and body type I guess you would say lol. There head will grow into there body eventually as long as there healthy and eating.
This website is the place for information on all thing snakes. There are many people on here who know twice as much as I do on here. Also the interwebs is full of info on the complexâs alleles and different gene information. #2 black pastel #3 banana black pastel #4 black pastel pin #5 enchi pin #6 normal
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@saleengrinch thatâs good to hear about their weights, all 6 absorbed their yolk sack and are extremely active so hopefully things will go good.
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@kns_exotics Good luck! I hope they thrive for you! I wouldnât mind seeing pictures when they put some size on. Curious to see how they age!
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What I am seeing with the last two animals is defects due to incubation issues and nothing more. Hatchling 5 is an Enchi Pin and hatchling six is what the hobby generally calls a âJungleâ, and is not genetic
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I think it would be very interesting to get updates on how #5 does longer-term, if you have the time.
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Curious how this clutch ended up doing?
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Also curious!
Number 5 I hope did well 
I donât know much about ball python breeding but why does number 1 look like it does? It looks like some of the body is merged together and there is that weird circle pattern.
The body isnât merged together, just an odd illusion from the lighting. I donât see anything off with the pattern either!
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Okay, looking closer the body might not be merged together. As far as the pattern I meant this:
Oh, yeah â though thatâs just the skin folding oddly because of the way the snake is sitting. Still nothing of concern from what I can tell!
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Thank you, I wasnât sure and it looked unusual and I figured the best way to learn was to ask.
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