My goal of the project is to make Abyss Pied (GHI Suma Pied). It seems like I didn’t make one yet. The mom’s sister who is genetically the same was bred to the same male and gave me a clutch incubating now, so I have more attempts in the works.
Anyway, #1 looks a lot like mom as does #5, but just darker. None of them look like dad. With only 3 genes in play and one (Pied) being very obvious, this shouldn’t be so hard right? lol.
I’ll hold off on my opinions until I get a little feedback so I don’t influence guesses. So what to you all think?
I honestly think you may end up with a decent color shift then they do shed out once or twice. Pied can also act like a brightening gene as well so hopefully the GHI darkens it out again.
Can’t wait to see updates on these guys.
I think #2 has the greatest chance of being your super GHI suma pied.
Agreed with @armiyana. From what I’ve seen, some of the genes with a lot of color (dark and light both) tend to change drastically during the first shed process.
Fingers crossed for you, for hitting an abyss suma pied.
I’ve noticed that some GHI Mahogany are what I call “low expression”. They have the striping, but the sides aren’t all blown out like mine above. I produced one of these “low expression” examples a few years ago and held it back. I’m expecting eggs to hatch from her in 30 days or so.
To me the one on top in your post looks GHI only, but I could be wrong.
Also, in case it helps even though I’m not sure what they are this clutch was from mahogany het pied X cinnamon GHI het hypo. So none of these should have super GHI or Suma possibly but of course cinnamon is a wildcard.
Thanks but that would bite big time so hopefully a mahogany test soon. I just got him in today to replace the bigger related one that was breeding already.
The cinnamon GHI mom of the clutch I posted was super low expression for cinnamon and looked like she could just be GHI but pretty sure from babies she was cinnamon too. Maybe there is a low expression gene?
Really really need mahogany and even cinnamon tests. I hope you are correct about lower right as I was thinking she was cinnamon GHI and only kept her because she hit double het hypo pied. Here she is now:
In addition to trying to make the Abyss Pied, I am trying to make Blackhead Suma Pied and Super Blackhead Suma Pied. At the same time working it into Axanthic and DG. I have a long way to go on some of them, but you have to start these long term projects somewhere right?
I also have chocolate but thinking like cinnamon that might brown out and I’m hoping for black. The pictures I’ve seeyof the first abyss made me think two mahoganies and one GHI was all you need. But maybe that combo will vary enough that additional GHI or adding leopard and/or blackhead would be good insurance for a jet black ball python.
Yeah, I was thinking along those lines as well, but when I looked at how BH and GHI react with each other I wasn’t so sure. I was very surprised when I first saw the Abyss. I didn’t think GHI would react with Suma like that. I guess that’s the thing though, we think we know what certain combos will look like, and when they are produced we are often wrong.
As a side note, I do worry that adding Pied to Abyss will make the blacks more red/brown.
Well, it looks like Wilbanks beat me to it! The featured animal today on the MorphMarket list is a BH Suma he calls Obsidian. It’s jet black, beautiful, and 10k. Still working toward Pied Axanthic and DG versions, but years away.
