New Gene Scrutiny

[rynier]

Hi Guys. I trust you are well.
I would like to get some expert input and opinions with regards to a line of royals I am working with atm.
This is my 3rd year with the project and I believe there is massive potential. However it is only my opinion and we all know that 95% of dinkers does not prove out, hence me asking for expert scrutiny.

I started with a male. (pastel combo of the gene), and have produced some basic combos with other existing genes. I will also attemt to prove the Super in the 2025 season when my female will be ready to reproduce.

The morph is geneticly Co-dom/ Incomplete dom.
It appears to be a dark morph with fair bit of pattern disruption.
To date I have produced the following:

1. Single gene version
2. Gene + Banana
3. Gene + Bel complex

Photos Below.

This is the male I started with. (Gene + Pastel)

Next is the Single Gene version.

Next is the Gene + Banana

Lastly is the Gene + Bel Complex

I look forward to your inputs and I will regard all feedback and critisism as guidance to manage the project.

Regards
Rynier

[armiyana]

Is this a ‘out of Africa’ dinker or one purchased from another breeder?

At a glance, it seems similar to mahogany or stranger. I would consider trying that pairing.

[rlremington]

I know mahogany and blackhead tests are being worked on but who knows how long they will take. It does look kinda chocolate like and that is already testable. Best of luck on the super! That should answer a lot.

[rynier]

Hi Bud. Thanx for the reply.
The original snake came from the wild, yes. It is the ancestor to the one I started with.

I have researched existing combos of Stranger/mahogany + various bells as well as stranger/mahohany+ banana . Visually there are differences in colour and pattern compaired to my animals but I am also aware that there are alot of variability in ball python genetics so the verdict is still out.
What intrigues me is the washed out eye stripe on the comination with the bell complex.

Thank you for your input. I will defnitly try those options in future parings.

[rynier]

Thank you Bud.
Shed testing will defnitly be done when all the current morph’s tests are available. Broad spec tests might provide answers but I think next year’s pairing for the super will yeild frutfull results. My female is now up to 1kg and 2 years old.

[rynier]

Hi guys. Just an Update. We will be proving the Super for this gene in Feb '26

[armiyana]

The waiting is always the worst part

[rynier]

Happy to report. The clutch have hatched an had their first shed. We are happy to announce that the dinker project proved to have a super form.

From the results of this clutch, the following conclusions can be made.

1. This is a new morph and different from any other.
2. This is an incomplete dominant morph.
3. It does have a Super form.
4. The Super form proves it is not chocolate.
5. Both the Base form and Super is different from Nyala.
6. Based on the Super form, this gene belongs in the 8 Ball complex.

Your thoughts on the matter will be greatly appreciated.

[chesterhf]

Have you found it to be allelic with any of the 8-ball complex morphs (or any other morphs)?

Based on appearance I would compare it more to Suma/super mahogany than 8-ball complex, although it does seem to have kind of a funky shaped head. It would be interesting to see which locus it falls into

[rynier]

I have not done any pairings to test if it is allelic with any other genes. I concentrated on proving the super first bacause that provides a lot of answers already.

Visually the base form does not look similar in appearance to mahogany…

[armiyana]

Looks like you have another line of Cinder.

Cinder Project

Cinder Project | Outback Reptiles

Edit: added super cinder photo

[caron]

Wow that’s a beauty!!!

[rynier]

Thank you for the feedback. The homozygous looks similar, but the single gene base are significantly different in appearence. Same as copper, and mahogany.