Reptile keeping with disabilities

Continuing the discussion from Looking to buy first Boa (BCI):

I’m highly interested in every aspect of how you manage to keep reptiles.

Anyone else with disabilities of any kind that would like to share their experiences, feel free!

Some questions I have, though I’m sure other will have many more.

  1. How do you know your temps/humidity are right? Do you have a device that gives you a signal/feedback?

  2. How do you picture your snakes patterns in your mind? As a solid shade or have you created a image of what you imagine it to look like?

  3. Does the above question change with different snakes? Do you picture one dark and another light and so on?

  4. How many times have you been bitten?

Thank you for this opportunity for us all to learn @ta-exotics :blush:

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Glad to give my answers!

  1. How do you know your temps/humidity are right? Do you have a device that gives you a signal/feedback?

Yes, luckily not long after getting into snakes, I was able to find a talking infrared temp gun. Before that, I used one of those wireless weather station things.

Those work for 1 or 2 animals, but when your collection starts to grow beyond that, a temp gun makes life so much easier.
The one I personally use is
https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Item_Detail?itemid=2898515

I’ve seen other thermometers that advertise a talking feature, but I haven’t needed to try any of them out thankfully.
It does make me nervous that one day this one will be discontinued, and it’s back to the dark ages. lol

  1. How do you picture your snakes patterns in your mind? As a solid shade or have you created a image of what you imagine it to look like?

I do try to imagine what they look like, with the saddles ETC, but I’m not going to lye, it is hard to keep it straight.

  1. Does the above question change with different snakes? Do you picture one dark and another light and so on?

Yes exactly.
For example, I can remember that animals like the sunglows ETC are a light cream color, and they can have orangish markings, or the IMG stuff is nice and black.

I was able to see up until around the age of 8, so I do know what the main primary colors look like.

  1. How many times have you been bitten?
    Lol, several. :slight_smile:
    Outside of feeding accidents, not very often though.
    From a boa, I don’t think it happens more than maybe twice a year.
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It’s so cool that this came up! I’m disabled myself, it’s why I can’t work anymore (I’m a retired veterinarian). My case is very different though, because my hands are the limiting factor. I was bitten at work in late 2017 (my right hand- blood spurting and everything :grimacing:), and it developed into CRPS (complex regional pain syndrome) that then spread to my other hand.

I’m not going to take up peoples’ time explaining what CRPS is, as I can’t imagine it’d be too interesting to non-medical folk. The main thing is that both my hands are always painful. It never goes away, I never get completely used to it. I have a caregiver that comes once every 2-5 weeks that helps me with taking out the garbage, vacuuming, litter pan of my cat, laundry, etc. My hands are also a bit swollen and red and shiny, which is embarrassing, but doesn’t really affect my reptile-keeping.

I’ve had to make a lot of adjustments, as I’ve kept reptiles for about 20 years, but was only injured a few years ago. Now, I have to plan how I’m going to do things much further in advance. It’s kind of hard to find the sweet spot where I’m using my hands enough that there won’t be any serious muscle atrophy and loss of function, but I’m not doing so much that I won’t be able to move at all the next day.

For example, let’s say it’s time to top up all the gecko water dishes. I have to take a second to think about what water container to do it with, and how heavy it will be full of water. Then I think about whether I can rest part of the ‘watering can’ on a forearm (which doesn’t hurt much), and if any squeezing is involved.

Thus far, I have found this works the best:

Though I hate that I have to squeeze it, it doesn’t require much pressure, and it’s good to use those muscles sometimes, to prevent contraction/atrophy. The angle works perfectly, so I can shoot water into the dish even if I have an excited gecko jumping up and down (it’s so cute- some of them have taken to jumping at the stream, or drinking from it like a dog!).

The other thing that happens a lot is that I can only do so much before I have to take a break (unless it’s an emergent situation, of course), so I am trying to get better about pacing myself. Basically, I toodle around with my reptiles & their feeders and maintenance all day, on and off.

Oh and another thing! I have to think very carefully about which pain meds I have or have not taken before doing something. Though I don’t take opiates, I do take medications that affect concentration at times, especially in the evenings (when I know I won’t need to drive anywhere for a given day).

I didn’t take this quite as seriously as I should have at first, and once (only time in my life thus far) I put a leopard gecko back into the wrong enclosure. Trust me, two old lady geckos over 15 years old who have lived alone most of their lives do NOT like having visitors, and one of my girls lost part of her tail. I am lucky it wasn’t more serious.

Oh, and another thing is that it has affected which animals I’m able to keep. For years I’d dreamed of getting a blood python later in life, but now I know it’s almost certainly not a good idea.

The effect is also indirect- because I can’t work, while still having to pay off my veterinary school loans, I’m not in a great situation financially. So I have to be content with a small apartment with no air conditioning, which limits which species I can keep. Thus my Uroplatus dreams are on hold, potentially permanently. I am one of those ‘if you can’t afford the vet, you can’t afford the pet’ people, so my financial situation also limits how many pets I can have at a given time. I want to be able to care for each one as a beloved pet.

Oh, and last thing- I’m not able to do the intensive cleaning of my guys’ cages anymore. I can do daily stuff, or maybe one cage intensively cleaned as needed, but I can’t just ‘soldier through’ a day of cleaning- eventually the pain gets so bad that I can’t focus on what I’m doing at all, and I start dropping things.

Thus, though it was a major blow to my pride, I had to suck it up and talk with my caregiver about it. Fortunately, she is awesome, and is totally ok doing the deep cleaning, so long as I hold the geckos. It even gives me an opportunity to give them a mini-exam.

Just some random thoughts from another differently-abled person. :wink:

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I didn’t even know they existed. But thinking about it, I went to a restaurant years ago that had blind chefs. I’m guessing this is the type of device they would use aswel to check food temps :thinking:.

Buy a spare while you can, considering the state of the world’s economy right now it isn’t guaranteed that that brand will exist next year :joy:.

This is extremely cool and interesting. Its amazing that you have your own view on these animals that is completely personal.

That’s not as much as I expected :joy: boas are calm and quite forgiving though so you have definitely chose the right species.

Thank you for taking your time to do this :blush: you are a inspiration to anyone that thinks that their disability will get in the way of their dream. I really appreciate it.

I’m going to dive into the comments and see what other questions you have been asked.

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This sounds terrible, especially given that you were a vet and your hands were your most important tool.
You have mentioned it before but I never quite understood to what extent of pain you go through on a daily basis.

As horrible of a experience it probably was for yourself, that really made me laugh :joy:. Pain meds can really blur your straight thinking at times, it’s a completely understandable mistake that I’m sure more than a few can relate with :joy:. Just be glad it was geckos and not something that would need pulling apart like monitors :yum:

She does sound awesome. But then again she must feel the same about you. You have a house full of geckos… That’s damn cool, and surely got to be one of her favourite work days.

Thank you for sharing this Marla, it was seriously insightful and nice to know how you deal with everything. :blush:

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Everybody has their own challenges though. I’m very lucky- I have a very supportive family…

It should be noted that being supportive does not preclude them driving me insane at times! hehe :grin:

I actually have a ton of geriatric leopard geckos that have VERY strong personalities. Even my mom, who is a cat person, has mentioned how surprised she’s been by how each of them is such an little individual. For example, I have Lucretia (the reclusive old lady that hates children), Adonis (the dumb blonde- it should be noted that blonde is my natural hair color), Lemmy (the friendly, pretty, but quite dim-witted one), Binky (the savage eater), Mew (the shy and sweet one), Pablo (the cyclops), etc. My younger ones have plenty of personality too, but there’s nothing quite like a senior leopard gecko. Maybe my soft spot for elderly companion mammals is getting carried over, heh.

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Hi guys, figured I’d update this thread with some good news, and some bad news.

I’ll start with the bad.

The talking thermometer I linked too, and currently use is no longer being made. :frowning:
So, if you need one, the only alternative is to buy a talking health infrared thermometer.

I have one, but it’s not as smooth to use, so I honestly haven’t done a lot of using it. lol I’m just going to use the discontinued one until it dies.

Maybe if anyone has the ear of a company like Zilla or Zoo Med, they could put a bug in their ear about making a small run of temp guns that announce the readings…?

Now to the awesome news… thermostats!

I picked up one of the WIFI capable Spyder robotics herpstat spyderweb 2 thermostat… and was able to configure it 100% of the way, with 0 sighted help.

So, if your blind and need a smarter thermostat, this is the one for you. If you can see, then you don’t really need the WIFI, unless you just want to nerd out on it… because it’s pretty nifty.
:slight_smile:

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Hi, I know it has been a few years since the original post, but I am completely blind and have been researching the possibility of adopting a pet snake. Is this discussion still open?
Thank you!

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Hi, im not the person you would want to hear from most becouse im not blind so dont have the same experience, but i have been in the hobby for 6 years and know quite a bit. If you have any questions or have anything you’d like me to see if i can find out just ask. What kind of snake are you looking into?

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I think i just came across a redit post from you trying to figure out a good beginner snake if you havent already (i wouldent usually look this up but i feel like there are much better pet snakes than the ones people recommend).

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Hi! Yes, that was me. :joy: I’m sorry, I’m not familiar with this messaging platform. Do you have any thoughts on type of snake? As I mentioned, I think my biggest worry is their tendency to escape, or well, how well they do it. My understanding is that snakes are curious and naturally inclined to want to explore. I am wondering if there is a type of snake that would be more compatible in this way? I’m sorry, I have so many questions.

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Ok i will respond to your questions from redit now.
First, corn snake are good at escaping , although it can be provented, like when you upgrade him/her to it final enclosure which should be a five foot long PVC sliding glass door enclosure you will be able to feel between the sliding doors, if you can fit the first segment of your thumb between the middle of them you will have to put some kind of foam strip that you or someone else can glue to the end of the glass panel the goes behind the other one so that you cant stick your fingers in between them. The on the PVC enclosure on one of the walls there will be a power cord hole that has this thing you can twist to block the small holes but if that twisty thing is not on the snake WILL escape so have someone help you put together the pvc enclosure. Also have a lock on the glass doors so you can make habbit of locking it in order to alwaysknow its closed. But when the snake is young i recomend a glass aquarium that is as long as or longer then the snake and use a lid, and as long as that lid is level and you have aquarium lid clips the snake should not escape.
And when your cleaning you can either hold the snake or have it in a bin or something like that.

Second, snakes have mostly solid but squishy fesses until its dried, all you have to do when the snake poops is get like a paper towel, a trowel or something made for picking up reptile poop, or you could use your hand and you pick up the poop and a little bit around it.

Third, snakes have quite a bit of body language but you should probably talk to someone in person or watch a few youtube videos on that. You can also look online on there body language.
But what i can tell you is be gentle, dont make to many sudden movements until you really know your snake, and no eye contact is not really a thing for snakes although it often seems like it.

Fourth, you will hear them move around but it will be very quite. In order to know if the snake is still alive just touch it daily and youl know.

Last for now is if you get a really good thermostat not a thermometer a thermoSTAT, you should be able to trust but have someone check it when you have someone over just incase.

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Now snakes i would recommend.
First is a central American boa (boa imperitor) also known as the common boa, but so are Columbian boas so ask the vender first. My two favorite snakes are my central American boas Draco and Demeter, males get 4 to five feet long and females can get six, although there are recordings of longer.
They are easy to care forand not way too long, they need 50% to 60% humidity and there hot spot 80 to 90 degrees.

Ball pythons also alot of care guides you can find.

This is an edit becouse cant believe i didnt think of this before but…
Hognose snakes, they have a lot of care guides but here is some info, males get two feet long and females get just under four feet, they dig alot but you’ll also see them obove ground, they are Diurnal, so they’re awake during the day… usually. They have keeled scales so they feel rough.

This is what i can think of at the moment but if there are other snakes you like that you want me to talk about i will, and if you like any of these snake ask me anything.

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Gonna jump in here real quick.

I absolutely would not recommend a garter for anyone vision impaired/blind. These are small, fast snakes that if they get out, you will have a heck of a time recapturing. I’ve had troubles even as a sighted person, because they are speed demons and will find their way under things before you can blink.

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Here are some links to websites i like and products i recommend.

https://joshsfrogs.com/

https://www.chewy.com/deals/wickens-wicked-reptiles-chewy-150918

Oh my gosh your right sorry i didnt think of that part thank you for noticing

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@amsel_yue is there someone living with you or that visits often that has at least partial vision? Is that person chill with reptiles and would be willing to help out once or twice a week?

I think the most limiting factors would be the risk of injury while feeding or maintaining the enclosure. And obviously the fact that snakes are escape artists so it can be extremely frustrating trying to even someone with vision.

I worry that the enclosure may need to be a bit sparse for you to feel for the snake when handling would occur. But if you do have the help in caretaking for the snake you can give them a well decorated enclosure and they can help you get the snake out for handling.

I think adopting an older snake would definitely be better for you than a younger one. You can somewhat get an idea on how calm the snake is when handled and they shouldn’t be as flighty as a baby can be.

I actually think that an adult cornsnake may not be too bad of an idea as they can be relatively calm as adults. Some of them are good with ‘drop feeding’. That can simplify some of the feeding concerns because you would just drop the frozen thawed rodent into the enclosure and just check where you dropped it the next morning.

Offhand I can’t think of many other snakes that can be both calm enough and take drop feeding as an option. But if you do have someone to help that can open the options quite a bit I think.

It’s definitely something I hope you can find more input with a better qualified community. I apologize if any of this comes off as ableist. I have very limited vision without correcting lenses, but it still is nothing like your experience. I’m mostly just concerned for the balance between the snake’s wellbeing and your safety

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@amsel_yue Hello Amsel. I am so sorry to hear about your sight loss. I take a lot of things for granted and my sight is one of them.

Please don’t take this post in the wrong way but due to your sight impairment I do not recommend your getting a snake. The escape potential is a one of the reasons. Also a lot of snakes are head shy. You may have difficulty handling a head shy snake without getting nipped/bitten, through no fault of your own.

Cleaning the enclosure will be a challenge if you can’t see what you are cleaning, especially if the enclosure has a lot of clutter and cage furniture. If you end up with a snake that turns out to be a picky eater and you have to feed live, that will be a problem because you have to make sure the snake subdues and eats the rodent before the rodent attacks a “not hungry” snake. Even frozen thawed feeding will be difficult unless the snake is satisfied with a drop feed. If the snake is super hungry it might bite you if it is a striker and coiler if you are not prepared for it.

It’s good to give the snake a “health” check routinely for such things as sheds, stuck sheds, clean clear eyes, nose, funky scales, lumps, bumps, etc. Sometimes the most minute issue can cause problems that a reptile vet may be needed.

These are just a few things that come to my mind that you may have problems with unless there is someone else in your household who is reptile friendly and can assist you. I am not being critical of you in any way but as a long time keeper I am just trying to be practical. However you know you so if you do end up with a snake or any other kind of reptile you will have plenty of support right here.

All the very best! :heart:

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Hi, I just now came across this message.
I keep and breed boas with 0% vision.
My wife also has learned to keep and breed them along with me, also with 0% vision.

This year is the first time I’ve roped our 8 year-old into helping.
He has made offering F/T to babies a little easier.
lol

Obviously I’m bias on boas. :slight_smile:
Just like with sighted people, you just need to be able to tell if your capable of keeping one of these animals.
Not all sighted people are good, so naturally there can be blind people who maybe shouldn’t do it.

Since your on forums asking questions, thats a good sign. :wink:

If you are wanting a baby snake, I’d personally go with something a little bigger.
Also, upgrading enclosures as they grow could also make it a smidge easier on you locating them.

I’ll answer any questions if I’m able. :slight_smile:
We’ve been keeping snakes since 2013, and had our first litters of boas in 2019.

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