So, I’ve heard they’re a thing but not 100% reliable. I’ve also heard this is only known to be the case in classic types. I also see a lot of experienced breeders on here posting pictures of het pied markers on a variety of morphs.
Nothing about this animal speaks to me as being het for Pied. Pied “markers” are more than just the ‘train tracks’
Ok thanks I appreciate your input. Could you post an example possibly? That would be awesome.
Do you know any pairing info? Did she come from a pied or het pied clutch? I’m going to agree with Travis. All I’m seeing is the tracks but that’s not a set in stone indicator of het pied.
I don’t have any pairing information. Just curious about people’s experience with het pied markers and ultramel het pied markers. I know it’s not set in stone by any stretch. Just wondering what the opinion is on the level of validity. And I’m bored. And I wanted to show my new addition.
Do you have any reason to think this snake might be het pied other than just wanting her to be?
Nope. Well I mean I did explain… and show pictures. You think I’m silly?
I don’t think she was saying you were silly at all. It’s just most of the time you don’t just end up with a snake that ends up het pied or het clown by accident. So Hiliary was wondering if there was a reason why you think it’s het pied.
Yeah respectfully I already said I don’t have any info. If it didn’t have ‘train tracks I wouldn’t have asked, my bad. I’m new to breeding, just here to learn and browse the discussions and stuff. Thank you for all the information.
I do not have any on the computer here.
The “train tracks” that people talk about are actually different than what your animal has. In addition to possible “tracks” there is a colour/hue difference to the belly and a subtle change to the pattern of the animal. There can occasionally be ringers, but like the “tracks” they are not an absolute indicator
I was just asking because sometimes when you buy a snake they might mention “oh, and it might be het for ____ as well” in passing, or if you knew these people had bred pieds in the past or something like that. I wasn’t judging, just trying to understand the thought process of why you were looking for “pied markers” specifically
Yeah I understand. No problem. Thank you. I want to do pieds, Pandas and ultras. I have the Black pastel pied pair for pandas. This little girl got me looking at ultras and… wow. So I’ll shop for a $$visual ultra pied$$ hatchling male the next year or two. And maybe a Female ultramel 100% het pied If I’m able to cough up the dough.
Before you get to far into your panda project I would research the problems they have. That way you know what to expect. To this day I’ve hatched 9 super black pastels every single one of them had severe defects. I had to euthanize every single one it was a terrible experience. I’ve been doing this awhile and it was literally the only time I’ve had a major genetics problem. I work with spider sable hgw a lot of the wobble genes and no major problems. And it was literally one of the worst experiences of my life. I will never try that type of breeding again. Also if your pair is related going to increase your chances for problems.
I second that — mahogany and sumas (super mahogany) also produce dark snakes without the risk of deformities. Toss a single copy of black pastel or cinnamon in there and it should darken even more. I plan to go for cinnamon sumas, and then work that into a pied project.
I would just go suma pied personally. Super cinny pieds are all white. And cinnamon is a pattern reducer in pied you get high white pieds. I think cinny would actually take away from the effects imo.
Thank you. Yes I am aware of the issues. They’re not a related pair.
I’m so looking forward to seeing more all black combos being produced consistently.
Me too!!! I love all black ball pythons!!! There are different combos that get all black or close to it. It’s been elusive for me. I really like the black and gray of gargoyles or the silvers from Huffman combos as well.
Yeah, I really like the Huffman black pastel as a dark combo. If I were a big combo guy I’d want to put a few more genes with that.
I have two Huffman pairings this season lemon blast Huffman x black pewter ghost and black pewter lesser. Really wish I had less pastel in these pairings. But the male is a hold back from 2018 and the only two males from the clutch were lemon blast Huffman.