So, I’ve heard they’re a thing but not 100% reliable. I’ve also heard this is only known to be the case in classic types. I also see a lot of experienced breeders on here posting pictures of het pied markers on a variety of morphs.
I got this little girl for $200 from someone who knows a teacher that could no longer take care of her. She’s got some nice big markers on her belly. We were pretty excited to find that it was actually a female because we were told it was a male. I sold the awesome tank and accessories that were included for $250 so fuel and eats were covered as well👍 I’m curious what the general consensus is on the het pied marker and if this ultramel potentially has it? Thanks so much!Nothing about this animal speaks to me as being het for Pied. Pied “markers” are more than just the ‘train tracks’
Ok thanks I appreciate your input. Could you post an example possibly? That would be awesome.
Do you know any pairing info? Did she come from a pied or het pied clutch? I’m going to agree with Travis. All I’m seeing is the tracks but that’s not a set in stone indicator of het pied.
I don’t have any pairing information. Just curious about people’s experience with het pied markers and ultramel het pied markers. I know it’s not set in stone by any stretch. Just wondering what the opinion is on the level of validity. And I’m bored. And I wanted to show my new addition.
Do you have any reason to think this snake might be het pied other than just wanting her to be?
Nope. Well I mean I did explain… and show pictures. You think I’m silly?
I don’t think she was saying you were silly at all. It’s just most of the time you don’t just end up with a snake that ends up het pied or het clown by accident. So Hiliary was wondering if there was a reason why you think it’s het pied.
Yeah respectfully I already said I don’t have any info. If it didn’t have ‘train tracks I wouldn’t have asked, my bad. I’m new to breeding, just here to learn and browse the discussions and stuff. Thank you for all the information.
I do not have any on the computer here.
The “train tracks” that people talk about are actually different than what your animal has. In addition to possible “tracks” there is a colour/hue difference to the belly and a subtle change to the pattern of the animal. There can occasionally be ringers, but like the “tracks” they are not an absolute indicator
I was just asking because sometimes when you buy a snake they might mention “oh, and it might be het for ____ as well” in passing, or if you knew these people had bred pieds in the past or something like that. I wasn’t judging, just trying to understand the thought process of why you were looking for “pied markers” specifically
Yeah I understand. No problem. Thank you. I want to do pieds, Pandas and ultras. I have the Black pastel pied pair for pandas. This little girl got me looking at ultras and… wow. So I’ll shop for a $$visual ultra pied$$ hatchling male the next year or two. And maybe a Female ultramel 100% het pied If I’m able to cough up the dough.
Before you get to far into your panda project I would research the problems they have. That way you know what to expect. To this day I’ve hatched 9 super black pastels every single one of them had severe defects. I had to euthanize every single one it was a terrible experience. I’ve been doing this awhile and it was literally the only time I’ve had a major genetics problem. I work with spider sable hgw a lot of the wobble genes and no major problems. And it was literally one of the worst experiences of my life. I will never try that type of breeding again. Also if your pair is related going to increase your chances for problems.
I second that — mahogany and sumas (super mahogany) also produce dark snakes without the risk of deformities. Toss a single copy of black pastel or cinnamon in there and it should darken even more. I plan to go for cinnamon sumas, and then work that into a pied project.
I would just go suma pied personally. Super cinny pieds are all white. And cinnamon is a pattern reducer in pied you get high white pieds. I think cinny would actually take away from the effects imo.
Thank you. Yes I am aware of the issues. They’re not a related pair.
I’m so looking forward to seeing more all black combos being produced consistently.
Me too!!! I love all black ball pythons!!! There are different combos that get all black or close to it. It’s been elusive for me. I really like the black and gray of gargoyles or the silvers from Huffman combos as well.
Yeah, I really like the Huffman black pastel as a dark combo. If I were a big combo guy I’d want to put a few more genes with that.
I have two Huffman pairings this season lemon blast Huffman x black pewter ghost and black pewter lesser. Really wish I had less pastel in these pairings. But the male is a hold back from 2018 and the only two males from the clutch were lemon blast Huffman.