It should produce something very similar to the clutch that bill made, without a chance at visual hypo. So pretty excited. I sent him a picture of it right before posting her on here. So I’m sure he’ll see her soon!
@gina5678 should’ve included that, sorry! She’s a pastave clown!
Nice pickup, Nathan! Maybe it’s just that I am wistful for fall and winter, but she’s reminds me of warm, toasted coziness.
I am very ready for fall which seems to be here. And I would rather have winter than summer……
She kinda makes me think of a nice warm cinnamon roll, fresh out of the oven. So I see where you’re coming from!
Nathan! Now you have reminded me of the luscious cinnamon roll I had at the West Side Nut Club Fall Festival last Monday in Evansville! I wish I had brought back a dozen of those things!
And you started it @caryl! With “warm and toasted”! 
Dang it, now I’m hungry! AND I want sweater weather!
Please, please, please!!
We JUST got sweater weather like yesterday, it’s nice to see fall finally showing up, almost a month late.
Unfortunately I skipped sweater weather and went straight into coat weather 
It was 85F last week and it was 35F as I went to work this morning at 8am 
& @caryl I took Rudy for a long walk this morning and I wore a beanie, a sweater, pj like warm pants, knee socks, fuzzy boots and a jacket. Temps in the 40’s. Lows in the 30’s tonight! 
Love it!!!
Generally, here south of the DFW area, we get our worst winter weather in January and February. It will be around 95 today but only 69 tomorrow then back up to low 80’s by Sunday…
We’re actually expecting temps much cooler than normal, like 13 degrees cooler. Highs will still be in the 70s, but our forecast lows are low 50s the next few days. Yay!!
Something new coming in real hot!
This pair of red hypo bulls from kingsville and crumbly red bull lineage arrived today and I couldn’t be more excited for what they could mean for my red/hannum hypo project.
They are believed to be a line of hypo deriving from the Kingsville line of red bull snakes that has been present in the hobby for a couple of decades. Animals originating from the Kingsville, TX line are known for their intense red/orange coloration. This third line of hypo (kingsville hypo) is speculated to be part of the equation in the hannum hypo phenotype, in addition to the trumbower hypo gene. The trumbower hypo gene has been proven to be at least part of the hannum hypo puzzle through test breeding. However, while the pairing has proven to produce hypos they don’t have the signature hannum hypo phenotype. This kingsville line of hypo could be the missing piece in that puzzle. The original hannum hypos originated from the kingsville locale lineage. This is all theory at this point and test breeding needs to occur but it’s exciting nonetheless.
They are from Cameron Kruse and were produced by a F3 pure Kingsville locality male (no known hets) x crumbly line red bull female (possible het albino). Cameron first paired these two animals in 2023 with the intent of producing some nice generic red bulls but he hatched three “surprise” hypos in a clutch of twelve. This means Dad, the pure locality animal, was carrying a wild type hypo gene that mom was also carrying, or the wild type gene is compatible/allelic with the Trumbower hypo gene.
Anyway, I’ve rambled long enough and probably butchered that explanation. The male arrived in shed but I can see some nice reds popping under the drab old skin. The female is an absolute screamer. Here they are:
Male
Female
Hey Eric! Ok so that young man is gorgeous even in the shed process.
However, the young lady you have there is literally ON 
!!! Seriously!!!
Now I don’t understand the descriptions and potentials of these 2 that you have provided but that doesn’t matter because I do understand the incredible babies these guys are going to make!
Your future’s so bright ya gotta wear shades!!! 
Thanks @Caron! Excited for the what future may hold. Hopefully lots of awesome red hypo bull snakes!
I want a red bullsnake like that girl of yours soooooo badly!!
Eric, both of them are fantastic looking. I bet after the male sheds, he will be just as nice and maybe nicer than the female. So how many bulls do you have now? If you can post some pics of your adults, you own. Would love to see them. Yours are starting to make me want to get a bull now. May have to look into the laws around my area about owning one. As they are native in my area. Don’t need problems with the DNR.
@spottedbull David, if you can wait a few years, I got you! If you are like me and have no patience, I would recommend reaching out to Cameron Kruse on FB. He doesn’t have any more red hypos like these from this year’s clutch but I am sure he has some killer normal (non-hypo) reds from this pairing. The Dad of this clutch is an amazing 6.5’-7’ red monster with traceable Kingsville, TX (Kleburg Co.) locality lineage.
@tommccarthy I actually don’t have any full grown adult bulls. The majority of my collection is ‘23 and ‘24 animals. I do have a ‘22 male hypo stillwater but he arrived in rough shape. Really undersized/underfed, and stuck eye caps and shed on his rostral scale. He was actually half the size of the ‘23 hatchlings I had that time. He’s bounced back nicely though and is really starting to put on some size. Here he is:
This is my largest bull at the moment. He is a July ‘23 hatchling, red influenced het stillwater hypo and possible het for albino. He’s closing in on 4’ already. He has a voracious appetite and will go after my hand in the cage if I don’t give him a minute to chill out and realize it’s not feeding time. Other than the feeding response, he is a gentle giant and handles really well. His name is Ferdinand but we call him Big Ferd.
You can see more of my collection in the Pituophis People thread here in the community.
Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous!! You’re going to have such beautiful babies in a few years! I am a total genetics geek and I love learning about new stuff. From my very limited understanding of bull snake morphs, it seems you’ve got a chance to help figure out some things about the hypo complex. It’s that correct, @eorr53 ? Either way, you’ve got a bunch of stunners!
@caryl Yes, this isn’t necessarily new but more of a case of just not recognized/acknowledged as a separate hypo gene. It could also very well be the hypo trumbower gene. The trumbower hypo gene is highly variable with the phenotypes it produces. Dad of these two is F3 pure locality so he shouldn’t be carrying genes of any of the established recessive mutations in the hobby. However, the trumbower hypo gene did originate from wild caught texas bulls, so it’s a possibility that it was passed down from the original wild caught great great great grandparents and that Mom was carrying it unknowingly. Mom was possible het albino based on her lineage but no other possible hets were known prior to these hypos hatching out. Hopefully we can figure it out with future test breeding.
Either way, these two will add a serious punch of red/erythrism to any projects they are a part of. I have a male hannum hypo and female het hannum hypo. Hannum hypo is suspected to be a phenotype produced by the comination of the trumbower hypo gene (proven to be part of the equation) and this “kingsville” hypo gene. Whether or not it’s a true double visual or an allelic phenotype is still TBD. It will be very interesting to see what pairing this pair with my hannum hypo animals produces.
