So what do you think about completely scaleless snakes?
Do you like them or do you think it defeats the point of a snake?
Just a thought, a scaleless Lampropeltis would contradict the name
Any other views?
Personally I am not sure. I think they can look wrinkled and might be too delicate.
But on the other hand, very pretty and interesting at the same time.
I am in two minds. Help me.
I actually like how they look, I wouldnāt want half my snakes to be scaleless but I still want some. As far as different care they might need paper substrate, higher humidity, and maybe soaks more often. Theyāre also more prone to getting stuck shed but generally they still shed fine. And as was mentioned in a different thread I think that as long as someone is able and willing to care for one then they should be able to get one regardless of the opinions of others.
Iāve always liked the look of scaleless corns. I think some of the morphs are more beautiful in the scaleless variety, like aneries. I got to feel and hold one for the first time a few days ago and now I really want one. As far as Iām aware, scaleless corns are still just as hardy as scaled corns. They still have their belly scales and they still have an egg tooth when pipping, so I donāt think there is anything unethical about keeping them.
I think theyāre neat, not something Iām particularly interested in working with though. I got to hold a scaleless ball python and⦠it was a very interesting experience.
Maybe down the line Iāll look into working with scaleless, but Iād rather focus on my other recessive projects for now.
I believe thereās scaleless CaliKings out there, and that does interest me a bit. Iām quite fond of scaleless colubrids actually, corns feel almost like a peach. I personally draw the line at lacking belly scutes though, so scaleless pythons are out of the question. They just donāt seem to thrive as well and look sort of like big slugs
Folks can do what they like, but Iām not interested in scaleless snakes. Iām actually pretty upset about scaleless corn snakes, since any corn from a clutch descended from any scaleless corn is actually a cross species (1st cousins though they may be) hybrid with P. emoryi, and no longer a corn snake. It actually pisses me off, to put it plainly. I donāt want any of my corns to be related to scaleless corns, but that ship has probably sailed because people saw dollar signs and went nuts with the scaleless ācornā snake. Itās irresponsible that these hybrids are never declared as such. It bends me entirely the wrong way.
I donāt have strong feelings about the other scaleless snakes, but I wouldnāt own any, they just arenāt my thing.
Yeah, this is particularly frustrating, although at this point I think any corns not taken directly from the wild probably have some hybrid blood in them
I knew that was the case, but I couldnāt put a finger on how many or which ones outside of the species Iām most familiar with. Iām unaware of any specific cases of passing morph genes via hybrids on the Python and Boa side of things, and thatās exactly the problem. Iām a pretty big snake nerd, but I donāt know the real history behind every morph of every species. Who does? Itās impossible for the casual hobbyist to know what they are really buying. It cheapens and muddies our enjoyment and the genetic lineage of these animals. The natural history of these species are part of the enjoyment of keeping them, at least for me. So many āCreamsicles,ā and doubtlessly Jungle Corns got bred back into and out of corn snake and other rat snake lines that thereās really no telling what youāre dealing with at this point. There are probably some Cal Kings out there on the market with 1/256th corn snake blood. It gets out of hand fast.
I am okay with folks making and keeping hybrids, in theory. Iām not trying to yuck anyoneās yum. But in practice they almost never get properly documented, represented and tracked in the long run, therefore Iām increasingly opposed to them on ethical grounds.
I actually prefer the wild type appearance of many commonly kept species. I love some morphs too, but Iām actually trying to minimize them outside of my corns and balls.
Back on topic, I still donāt prefer scaleless snakes. Aside from not liking them, I worry they are delicate and easily injured. Can anyone tell me if thatās the case? Are scaleless snakes more susceptible to injury and/or infections?
Hey @saleengrinch - I donāt know how to do a quote reply on this forum, as you did with my previous post. Iāve looked at the interface for clues but I donāt quite grok.