Second one looks big and healthy! Very pretty too! Sorry to hear about the last one, but sounds like to me it was badly deformed so most likely wouldn’t have made it out of the egg or if it did very long anyway. Congrats on your two snakes!
Congratulations on your new babies! It was a long time coming but you got through it! And you have 2 beautiful babies as a result! A job well done!!!
Congratulations on your second beautiful baby! It’s a pretty little thing. I’m sorry about the one who didn’t make it. That’s the flip side of the joys of breeding.
You’re right that you know the father of your Amel Tessera now. Red Factor develops over time, so you may need to hold onto your patience while you figure out if he passed that on to the baby. It’s highly likely that the other baby had the same sire, but it is actually possible that they have different fathers, just fyi.
Congrats again!
How common are split clutches? I dont really hear about them much
Don’t think we have data on that. Most corn snake breeders pair only one male with a given female per season. It’s important to know hets if one is working toward specific goals. If that’s not a concern, there’s no biological reason why one couldn’t produce split clutches regularly. I’m sure they sometimes occur in nature, too. On rare occasions a female retains sperm from a prior season’s make and produces one or more babies who are obviously not from the current male. Of course, it’s possible that sperm retention happens more often than we know with clutches whose visual appearance wouldn’t give it away, though it’s still likely rare.
ah ok thanks for the info. Also when the babies are ready to be sexed how should I go about doing that? im not too sure about how to pop them without hurting them so I might send in their sheds for genetic testing.
Popping is not too difficult to learn, but the genetic testing is easier and gives you a for sure result.
You can also combine popping/DNA testing, too. I decided I wanted to learn with my first clutch last year. Any that popped for sure male I didn’t bother sending in a shed, all of those that were inconclusive or seemed female were tested. Doing things that way allowed me to cut down on the expense of multiple tests, and gave me a way to confirm whether or not my popping needed work.
Yea that way makes a lot of sense. Its just im not sure how to pop them or how much preassure to use
I suggest checking out youtube, several great videos showing the basics exist.
Just watched a few videos and i think i should be able to do it. Are you able to sex them immediately or do you have to wait for their first sheds first?
For ball pythons at least, there are great YouTube videos on popping as well as probing. Both are similar for many snake species, but the depth that the probe goes in would vary from species to species. Definitely watch some YouTube videos on both methods and give it a shot. Probing sounds awfully invasive, but it’s not. I’ll spare you the details, but you’re not breaking skin. The snake isn’t going to feel any effects afterward. It’s probably more stressful for the keeper than the snake. If you’re doing it for practice and to be sure, probing could be done quite often. Now popping I wouldn’t do super often on one snake. Popping multiple times a day just seems like it could lead to problems. I would pop no more than once a day.
Back in the day it was believed only babies should be popped. It was thought the muscle control of them parts on adults was much stronger and popping adults could be damaging. I don’t think that is the current belief anymore. I’ve seen many seasoned breeders popping adults on YouTube.
Popping is probably easier with babies just because you don’t have to wrangle them like adults and the parts pop out easier. Probing is probably easier on adults because it’s easier to measure the scale depth that the probe goes in.
I imagine there are certain generally cranky species that’ll bite you while popping/probing, but the more docile species shouldn’t tag you.
At least with balls, I would NOT waste money on a DNA test to figure out the sex. Popping and probing are the way to go. The same probably goes for other species. Practice will lead to experience; experience will lead to confidence; confidence will lead to a better keeper.
You can do it whenever, I always waited till they shed the first time and also if you feed it before wait until they poop first. Sometimes they will pee or worse on you so empty belly is something I wait for! also you should do it more then once with at least a few day’s in between
ok thanks for all of the help!
I get you using experience to make suggestions, but what works for ball pythons does not work the same way for corns. They’re a lot smaller and more delicate, I don’t suggest anyone inexperienced attempt probing without guidance from someone experienced. There’s too much chance to harm the animal by using the wrong sized probe or going too deep. You also cannot pop adult corns, it doesn’t work at all. They can only be popped as hatchlings. Please be careful with the idea, “The same probably goes for other species” because unless you know for sure, the wrong advice with something like this could cause harm.
I would skip probing with baby corns. It’s probably possible, but popping is much safer for someone inexperienced with sexing. You can pop whenever, but I find it a bit easier after the first shed. If you’re getting inconclusive results, you can also wait until they’ve had a few meals. Those extra few grams of weight can make it a bit easier.
If they’re calm babies, I’ll pop them when I’m setting them up initially. If they’re a more nervous sort, I wait until after their first shed. If they pop male, good enough. If they pop female, I record it but don’t actually consider them female for sure until after they’ve been popped three times.
Other than handling them when I’m initially separating and setting them up in a deli cup with sphagnum moss to help with that first shed and popping the cooperative ones, I don’t really handle them until after their first meal is suggested. THE most important thing for babies is feeding reliably. They’ve got to feel secure to feed. There are various ways to get them there successfully. I put babies in deli cups until after their first couple of meals them move them into bigger bins. There’s plenty of room for a new hatchling in a deli and offering food in their familiar home can help promote feeding. (Take out everything but the baby and its meal for feeding, of course.)
I would not advise probing a baby corn. I’m comfortable probing typical yearlings and up, but babies are delicate, small. It would be all too easy to poke a tiny probe through the genital pocket or worse. Not worth the risk.
@shadowspiderjack So I’m just curious as to why there is a need to know the sex so soon since they are too young to breed. Or it might be based on near future purchases? If so that makes all the sense in the world. I’m not a breeder so I don’t know what the process is to get started obviously! Lol!
1 reason is im hoping that the tessera is a male since it would be a great pair for my fire pied. Another reason would to be to try and get some experience sexing corns since its not something ive done before and if i know the sex it will help me with future purchases
That’s kinda what I thought. It sounds like you have a very good plan going! I suppose that the size of hatchling baby bps helps make sexing a bit easier and safer than tiny corns. Just the thought of inserting a probe, no matter how small, into a tiny little corn makes me hurt! But I am sure if it’s done correctly it is probably ok for the little one and I am POSITIVE you will learn how to do it PERFECTLY!
I wish you the very best of great success with your project @shadowspiderjack! You surely helped the precious little eggs all the around!